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that health-care cost growth has slowed down. we have been there once before and it did not pan out. i am a believer that there are a number of forces that should make us more optimistic now than we were the last time this happened. >> other questions from the audience? >> i am >gruenberg. the whole point of the fiscal cliff and trying to get the deficit down long-term -- you have not talked about the other obvious thing which is jobs. this is a tax panel but if you put people to work, they earn money, even at government jobs. if they earn money, they pay taxes, if they pay taxes, revenue goes up on the top -- and the deficit goes down. talk about jobs. >> talk about growing our way out of the deficit? >> everything you said is true. growth is beneficial but the net benefits are much lower than many people realize. the problem is that we have designed a system where we have, for example, indexed initial social security benefits to wages. that means that the faster the economy grows, the faster wages grow, the faster the cost of our promises of growth. with health, is more obscure but i t
in general, but certainly policymakers. i am just a single-minded about comprehensive health-care reform. i know is not particularly popular in west virginia, but it's ok. because of my fingerprints are all over it, i know is good and i know it will benefit west virginia more than any other state. it is so incredibly complex, not just the 17% of gdp has people like to say, but it is so complex and involved and interests of people, nuances that we just had to do something about it. everybody talked about it, nobody had done anything about it. i worked with the pepper commission is for two years, we rode a perfect long-term care policy and acute care policy and it was dead on arrival. i worked hard for the clinton health care bill, and it did not make it. this one came along, and i was determined to help make it happen. for the simple reason that should be a right and not a privilege. the affordable health care act is the way the 32 million americans in more than 300,000 of west virginians will be able to afford health insurance, truth, honesty, and we did not have the money to do it all, by
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